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Počítače dneška mají mnohem kratší morální i technickou životnost než operační systém.

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A prostě pro takový stroj je Windows 8 jednoznačně nejlepší systém dneška (resp. zítřka).

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Takže zatímco Palm umřel úplně, z Psionu se stal EPOC a poté celkem úspěšný Symbian a všechny začal válcovat iOS a Android, Windows CE zkomíraly. Čili systémy, které byly navrženy a optimalizovány pro mobilní zařízení. Prostě dokáží respektovat jejich specifika - omezenou paměť, pomalý CPU, provoz na baterie, malý displej ovládaný prsty. Oproti desktopu, který má relativně neomezenou paměť, mnohojádrové několikagigaher­ztzové CPU, velké či přímo obrovské displeje plus ovládání myší a klávesnicí. Právě pro optimalizaci pro mobilní zařízení iOS a Android zvítězily.

Microsoft se rozhodl pro radikální řez a novou verzi Windows CE postavil na kapesním přehrávači ZUNE (ehm). Optimisti doufali, že systém ještě k něčemu bude, všichni (kromě Hulána a uplacených bloggerů) na Windows Phone koukají skrz prsty a aby se historie opakovala, tak opět přišel s ideou, že se bude sjednocovat rozhraní napříč zcela odlišnými zařízeními. Optimisté (tentokrát včetně Hulána) hýkají nadšením, realisté kroutí hlavou a říkají "Déjà vu".

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Jenže existují i uživatelé, kteří používají náročné programy (účetní, grafické, organizační, výpočetní) a potřebují využívat celou plochu svých velkých displayů. Pro takové lidi je Metro neuvěřitelná osina v zadku. Kromě toho, i facebooková ňuňu generace musí souhlasit, že kvalita současných Metro aplikací (i na WP) je ve srovnání třeba s iOS ekvivalenty otřesná.

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A já si naopak myslím, že Windows 8 budou na klasickém počítači druhé Visty, pokud Microsoft nezmění jejich podobou do finálního vydání. Může to být "kůl" pro puberťáka, co si k tomu sedne na hodinku večer doma, ale na práci to není.

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Samozřejmě mi to nedalo a vyzkoušel jsem Win8 na tom "počítači zítřka" (výkonný konvertibilní tablet s SSD) - a nebyl to krátký test, v minulosti jsem otestoval i Developer verzi Win8.

Ve chvíli, kdy jsem to měl nastaveno "jako tablet" - super... Ve chvíli, kdy jsem chtěl to chtěl používat jako "běžný notebook", tak mi Metro přišlo otravné a raději jsem opravu začal šahat prstem do obrazovky, než bych používal polohovací zařízení (buď myš nebo touchpad).

Neříkám, že je to vyloženě špatně, ale představa Win8 na desktopu bez dotykového monitoru mě trošiku děsí ;)

Děláte jednu zásadní chybu - berete vlastní zkušenost/před­stavy/požadav­ky a generalizujete je. Ověřit si to můžete velice snadno. Vemte si, co Apple u prvního iPhone zavedl:
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- nemožnost přistupovat na filesystém telefonu
- nemožnost udělat si vlastní aplikaci bez placených registrací v Marketu
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- prakticky eliminovaný mutltitasking
- jedno jediné HW tlačítko (vyjma hlasitosti a zámku)

U všech těchto bodů mohu uvést, v čem jsou pro uživatele nevýhodné, ostatně u dvou z nich jste to udělal sám. Přesto se podívejme, kam se po třech letech od uvedení původního iPhone dostal největší konkurent (myšleno obecně, ne ve smartphonech) Microsoft:
- namísto různých a otevřených způsobů připojení to lze pouze přes speciální program
- odstraněna podpora paměťové karty
- odstraněna podpora přístupu na filesystém telefonu
- nemožnost udělat si vlastní aplikaci bez placených registrací v Marketu
- kapacitní displej
- prakticky eliminovaný mutltitasking
- odstraněna HW tlačítka, zůstala 3, z toho jedno (hledání) je prakticky nepoužitelné

A teď mi řekněte, proč asi tohle všechno u Microsoftu od Apple opsali. Odpovím - proto, že drtivou majoritu jejich zákazníků nezajímá, že namísto Activesyncu s řadou doplňků budou muset použít Zune Software, nezajímá je, že nemohou použít paměťovou kartu, když sám telefon nabídne několik GB prostoru, nezajímá je, že nemají přístupný filesystém, protože by na něj stejně nikdy nelezli, nezajímá je, že displej je kapacitní, naopak oceňují, že nemusí vytahovat a ztrácet stylusy a fungují geniální vychytávky typu multitouch, nezajímá je, že telefon mohl mít pět či třeba sedm HW tlačítek na spouštění základních funkcí, protože se snadno naučí, že když něco potřebují, stisknou HW tlačítko Home a zbytek najdou na displeji. A hlavně oceňují, že díky eleminaci multitaskingu a paměťové karty je zaručeno, že systém bude mít vždy okamžitou odezvu (srovnejte iPhone nebo WP7 s libovolným Androidem) a rozumnou výdrž na baterii (v porovnání např. s HW totožným Androidím telefonem).

Popíráte navíc sám sebe - nejprve se rozčilujete, jak to Apple vymyslel blbě a prodal hlavně díky marketingu, ale zároveň příspěvek uzavřete tím, že ostatní výrobci přístup Apple (všimněte si - nikoliv ten "marketing", který měl telefon prodat, ale funkce a vlastnosti!!!) kopírují. Ano. Kopírují, protože Apple se přesně trefil do gusta tomu, co je na Gaussově křivce uprostřed. A kde jsou největší tržby.

Lidi jako vy nebo já, kteří by si iPhone nikdy nepořídili, protože je prostě pro ně omezený a nevyhovující, je nula nula nic. Samozřejmě, že kolem iPhone je taková aura "to musím mít taky", ale nemůžete popřít, že iPhone vybalený z krabice (čili bez dolaďování) bude běžnému, tuctovému uživateli obecně sloužit lépe než libovolný jiný telefon (ať už se Symbianem, Androidem, WP7 nebo čímkoliv jiným). A o tom to je, ne o marketingu.

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Dle mého názoru je ideálním OS pro běžného uživatele W7 vzhledem k jeho svižnosti a přehlednosti a o bootavní z SSD se dá také mluvit jako o "ultrarychlém", ale jak jsem již psal vše je otázkou zvyku a čas nám ukáže jak si W8 povede.
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